National Cyber Resilience Centre Group and Microsoft discuss 'Deep Fakes' in new podcast
- philviles
- 5 days ago
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In the latest Cyber Versed podcast from the National Cyber Resilience Centre Group (NCRCG), Mandy Haeburn-Little discusses Deep Fakes with Joseph Boland-Scott at Microsoft in what is a fascinating listen.

Mandy Haeburn-Little, Cyber Woman of the Year 2021, in conjunction with the National Cyber Resilience Centre Group (NCRCG), brings listeners access to strategic conversations with industry leaders and figures in the UK’s cyber resilience landscape in the Cyber Versed podcast.
With a changing roster of high-profile guests from across policing, government, academia and business, stay tuned for the latest in the UK’s cyber security thought leadership landscape.
In this episode, number 43 of the series, Mandy discusses Deep Fakes with Joseph Boland-Scott at Microsoft.
In a light-hearted start to the conversation, Mandy opens by asking Joe how she can be sure that it really was him on the call. Joe responds by providing some great suggestions about how you can look out for specific audio or video cues to help spot fake audio and video.
Joe goes on to explain the difference between Deep Fake and AI-generated content; in general terms, he explains that AI content is created from scratch for legitimate purposes, whereas Deep Fake is more about image, video and voice manipulation and is more often than not used much more for malicious purposes.
Mandy and Joe then chat about the areas we are seeing Deep Fakes being used, to which Joe provides some of the more common examples, such as in the onboarding of new employees remotely, where the team has never met the new employee. In these helpdesk vulnerabilities, cybercriminals are posing as current employees looking to restore access to their devices.
Mandy then asks what you should do when you suspect something is not quite right. Joe outlines typical things to look for when you don't feel everything is 100% right. Primarily, question if the person you think you're speaking to would contact you on a particular channel, or would they make such a request at an unusual hour?
By way of encouragement, Joe points to the fact that people are generally much more aware of telephone scamming than they were a few years ago. So, he suggests, in the same way, people will get better at questioning the authenticity of audio and video content. However, he emphasises that awareness is only a small part of the solution; there is a need for much greater collaboration among tech, policy and education to combat the increasing criminal use of Deep Fake.
It is a fascinating insight into the world of Deep Fakes, and how to identify and protect yourself against this growing threat.
You can download or listen to the podcast here, as well as all the other podcasts in the Cyber Versed series: https://nationalcrcgroup.co.uk/cyberversed-podcast/
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